Oobie's Blog

15 Sep 2020

Goertz Daler Variety 3: 1718 Flink Och Fardig - Type 1 and Type 2 Rev

Young Numismatists Exchange | Oobie

As a follow up to my previous post about my search for Goertz daler varieties, I am going to attempt to write a post about a confusing variety that I ironically stumbled across while searching for the one I wrote on last night.

The variety I found is on the reverse of the 1718 Flink Och Fardig Goertz daler, which is not where I had anticipated finding it. As described in an 1899 issue of The Numismatist, the reverse of the piece depicts the stated value in a circle, surrounded by a cartouche of cornucopias, cannons, flags, spears, etc. The most dramatic difference between the common piece and the variety is the cornucopias at the top of the circle. I will do my absolute best to describe the variety in a way that makes sense. (It is best to view the images as you read to understand what I am saying.)

The cornucopias in the common pieces have openings like that of a trumpet, and there are four connected circles, which I assume are grapes, coming out of their horns at a slight curve. However, on the variety pieces, the openings of the cornucopias have an extreme curve (view image), and the grapes coming out of the openings also have an extreme curve and touch the edge of the coin, unlike the grapes on the common pieces.

To differentiate between the two reverses, I will denote the common piece as the Type 1 Reverse, and the variety piece as the Type 2 Reverse. The Curved Leg obverse has only matched with the Type 1 reverse from the images that I have scoured over on the internet, but the Straight Leg obverse has matched with both the Type 1 and Type 2 reverses.

Other details to differentiate between the Type 1 and Type 2 reverses include the branches on the side, the angle of the lines on the baskets holding the branches, and the detail on the spears. The branches on the Type 1 reverse have fewer and smaller leaves than that of the Type 2 reverse. The left basket of the Type 1 reverse has lines going at a slight downward angle, and the right basket has lines almost perfectly straight, if not at a slightly positive angle (maybe a degree or two). The left basket of the Type 2 reverse has lines going at almost a negative thirty-degree angle – much steeper than the left basket of the Type 1 reverse. The right basket of the Type 2 reverse goes at almost a positive thirty-degree angle – also much steeper than the right basket of the Type 1 reverse. The spears of the Type 1 reverse are simplistic with just a shaft and a basic arrowhead, whereas the Type 2 reverse has a circle between the shaft and arrowhead with arrowheads that look almost like clovers, somewhat similar to the obverse warrior’s lance.

I believe the differences in the reverses is too major to ignore, as the design has a very significant change. The possibility of the varieties I find being recognized by NGC or other high-ranking numismatic companies is extremely low, as MikeB said, but it is still fun to discover something that no one has ever found before. I have a few varieties that I have found in the 1717 Vett Och Vapen pieces, but they are minor, and I do not think they will be worthy of devoting too much time to, unlike the variety I wrote about in this blog. Maybe if I make a breakthrough with these varieties, they could be named after me like Newcomb or Snow with their varieties. My goal in finding these varieties is not glorification, though. I want to give something fresh and original to the numismatic community and inspire others to start their own adventure. As always, thank you so much for reading and supporting me in my journey. I hope you enjoyed and learned something. Stay safe out there.

Gabe, a.k.a. Oobie

Note: I do not own the image of the Straight Leg, Type 2 piece.



Level 6

Your great research has made a great blog. I am really starting to like these coins. Thanks.


Level 3

Fascinating to learn the history of any coin. Thanks for the history of these!


Level 4

As the group of folks ahead of my have already said, I am hooked. I never would have even considered looking at these pieces before your blogs. Now I just look at em and want to know more. Thanks for the research and knowledge smack down. Later!


Level 5

Oobs, you have found the true heart of our hobby, it isn't about looking at pretty shiny things or watching the bullion markets, or seeing how much your Morgan increased in value, it's about the research, the history, the backstory. Thank You for sharing your research, it's intoxicating

Mike B

Level 6

I'm starting to like these allot. Your history about them is great. Every blog I learn something else. Which shows you after 27 years im still learning everyday. If you never shared about these I would never know the were around. Now I know a little. I plan to learn more from your blogs. Keep them coming. Thanks.!!

I. R. Bama

Level 4

Really interesting blog. I don't know why such a major design difference wouldn't be recognized, but I'm not very knowledgeable about that sort of thing


Level 5

Awesome. These are great pieces. Quite the specialty to collect and look for varietys. Certainly out of my league. Nice post and very interesting pieces.

Great research! It seems like the dies were just changed because they needed more and didn't have the original more than that they wanted to change for aesthetics.

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