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17 May 2019

The Franklin Press And N.G.C.

Tokens | Pat

My friends how are you. I Just wrote a Journal on this token not because of the token but the label has been wrong for years. Those of you who remember I had a disagreement with NGC before. It took three months three countries and Nobels auction in New Zealand to a library in England. It did make me physically sick. But after they received the fax from the English library. NGC said send it back slabed it graded it a MS 64 and I had won.. Turns out four were made. And it was of Queen Victoria. Now if you enlarge the picture of the label it tells you nothing. Not even how to look it up. So i searched the net and found a dealer selling it stating it was made in Philadelphia. Now We have gone to far. So I called NGC and spoke to a very nice woman. She stated that the information was found in the Red Book. I said no. That's all wrong. It's in the colonial section it doesn't belong there. Q. David Bowers even said it never circulated here it was a collection piece. . There are others like it but at least put the proper information so people have a reference point. Well it says it's a Conder token and it was made in England I said all that information doesn't mean anything on the label. You have a founding father his first coin or token and it doesn't say anything. So after a long talk we agreed to disagree. I emailed Q. David Bowers. He got right back to me and wants to speak to the person at NGC I said I will supply here with your number. Mean while Mr. Bowers emailed the other authors who worked on that part of the book. I simply said we can one take it out. Or two out the proper information for next year. We're it was made G.Britain D&H 307b Middlesex The Franklin Press.that's all were looking for. It seems small but what if you received a coin back with the wrong information would you keep it or send it back. I sent mine back and they are refusing to correct it with the right information. Now I like my coins and tokens label right thats all you would think that I was trying to change the world. I left out there resons. because it would be embarrassing I could not believe what I was hearing. I will stay with this and have everyone get the proper credit mostly the label with the right information. They have it They use the proper book all the time. Why not this part of history? It's very important the correct information is on every token and coin. How else will I tell one from the other. I will keep you posted. This is not a small thing. There are allot of important author's working on the solution. Thanks for reading In will keep you updated. Pat

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09 May 2019

NEWGATE PRISON D&H ,396b Middlesex England

Tokens | Pat

Hi everyone. Well I thought it was time for a special token. Newgate Prison. It has another name Hell on earth. That's what it was like. Now this prison was built in 1188 and closed in 1902. Now I wrote about this prison almost a year ago. This particular token was done by P. Kempson. There were a few made but if you were to compare it to the others the quality just stands out. Now seven hundred years is a very long time for any building. Yes is was rebuilt many times but the big renovation came after the great fire of London in 1666. It was located on the corner of Newgate and and Bailey Street in the heart of London. The pictures below are just a sample of the hundreds they had. The first one I picked was the hanging of the prisoners. I believe there are three. But there was one with six. I wanted to show you hell on earth as it truly was. I got by the copyright of the first one but they nailed me on the ones showing the drawings of life inside. I got one more and that was it. This prison can not be described in words. You would have to use your imagination. Over crowding all sorts of epidemics. . I think most looked to be hanged to escape this form of living. I mentioned the hangings at first they were done inside but that changed in the 1700's when they moved them outside by the left door. The streets were packed with people trying to watch. Hell on earth. I Now why did they make this token. Simple.they wanted to show all sorts of buildings in England and you can't leave this out. From the outside the prison looks like a normal building. The one after this was built to discourage people from committing crimes.. There is a picture of it down below. There also is a token of that one. But this was the original.. Now I could not write everything about this hell. I said before just think of the most hated place you could be. In my last blog I refused to list everything that went on in there for a good reason. Remember your talking about seven hundred years. Yes renovations but they still lives the life that it was like when it opened. This is what a token can tell you. Good things and bad. You would not even know about Newgate if they didn't make the token. Tokens tell stories. Yes you have to do research and find pictures. Then you tell the story it told you.. So now I will leave the short blog leaving out most of the seven hundred years. There is allot of history behind this token and this is a blog. I don't think you would enjoy the history to much. But at least you get a feeling of one of the many reasons they made these works of art. It's a country's history. Just like ours. I hope you get a better understanding about these tokens. They kept a country out of bankruptcy that in itself is remarkable. So thanks for reading I hoped you picked something up. Enjoy . PatBibliography My knowledge my words.P S. Enlarge the pictures you will see more.

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02 Apr 2019

Pidcocks Angry Bird And Lion Middlesex D&H 414

Tokens | Pat

Hello everyone first I want to apologize because the flash went off on the reverse. That have it a light color. The raw ones and the obverse of the slabed one is the color. Can't get them right all the time. Now I'm not going to rights big blog on this. Because when I won the auction I decided not to wait and wrote the blog back then. What does this show. It shows the only place to buy these are in England. That's were they were made.this is one of Pidcocks menagerie. He had ever animal you could think of. Now this will have more information than the last but not much more. First it was made in Birmingham. Done by a great die sinker William Lutwyche. Pidcock did well of these. He had three rooms. You saw one room for a shillings two for two shillings and of course three for three shillings. And they came from all over to see these exotic animals. They have never seen these before. It was a Farthing or half penny. And Me Lutwyche did a fantastic job on the detail. As you can see. This was the time of the industrial revolution allot was go in on in Britain. Especially this exibit. . This token is one of the most desirable. There in the Brutish Museum that says allot. They were out there because it's part of there history. That's were they belong. Now that's it's slabed more Conder collectors will be mad. But they have to be protected. I want other collectors to enjoy these . They took care of them for us. They weren't made to be thrown away. Like I say it's art on Copper. And it is. It's just like a canvas. The designer was C. James. Now I hope you enjoyed this the other one has more but unwanted you to know Guttenberg places to buy these are were there made. England. To think this is grading higher than the West Point cents that's the was part and this is only a half penny. That's sad . Take care and enjoy. Pat

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29 Mar 2019

Thomas Spence 1795 D&H -1112 Middlsex

Tokens | Pat

Hi everyone. Well I finely found a Thomas Spence token. One of the most important than any token of even coin. Why. The obverse shows a man riding a donkey. And it says Am I not thine ass. Why because he was one of the first to fight for the rights of man. He wrote many pamphlets on it. What he wrote applies today that's why it's important. That man has a right to own property. He wrote of the rights of infants and children. He was arrested many times. He spent that time in Newgate prison. He was born poor and died poor. Now the reverse has his name but two others you will know. Sir. Thomas Moore who worked for my famous killer Henry the VIII he was best friends with the king. They did like each other. He was an attorney. He fought for the right of man to worship the religion they wanted not the Kings Church. So for that he was accused of treason and his best friend had his head cut off. He is a Saint. Saint Thomas Moore they made a movie of his life called a man for all seasons. Gave his life for the rights of man. Now the third name also fought for the rights of man. He wrote a famous pamphlet called common sense now I sit have to cut and paste that. If you know about our history. You know he fought for our independence. Every year in January 29. There is Thomas Paine day. Does he have a coin. Now he was born in Britain and moved to the United States. The reverse states rights for the advocates of man. These three were fighting for us today back in the 1700's. Think of what they endured. I'm not writing all three of these great men's history. There names tell it all. No need to. And they all died for our right then and now. That's why this token a quarter penny. Is important to collectors. It speaks volumes of great men. I'm lucky to have it. Like i said were is Thomas Paine coin. Another founding father.and it would make a great commen. Not one of basket ball. Another waste by the mint. How exciting!!! I can't wait till I melt it.I hope you enjoyed this little blog on three famous people. And they are. Look up there history. You will enjoy it. Thanks Pat. Bibliography My tokenMy wordsMy knowledge of History.

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26 Mar 2019

You Don't Need A Company To Trace Your Family!!

Tokens | Pat

Hi everyone. Who says you need a company to trace your family tree? So far I have found two tokens one a Leaden token with the name Catherine Byrne and lived at one Spring Street Dublin. They were called that because they were made of lead. I will never own that it's in the British Museum. Now my wife spoke to my family back in Ireland and we did have relatives in Dublin. Both tokens are from there. This one I was just serching and came across it. So we don't know for sure of course but it is a fun thought.. This was a trade token made sometime in the 1840's. I would think that the Queen is the obverse. Yes even on tokens the monarchy was the obverse.. This one a trade token advertises teas and wine. It also says merchants it says Byrne and CO. 6&7 Granby Row Dublin.. Now the Laffey River the six was one side and the seven the other. They were postal marks like our zip code the odd on one side the even in the other. It could also mean the store was two address one building. You see it here today. To get ones family tree done the right way would cost hundreds and hundreds of dollars . And with the recent notice that one popular company has been selling D.N.A. There not getting mine. It has to be done by backtracking all the paper work. We have gone back a few hundred years. Over time of course. But when you see your family name on a token or coin it's nice to have. There are many things we collect in this great hobby. This will be a good luck charm. Why not it makes the hobby fun. And it should be. A find like this is not common. But when I saw it, it yelled at me buy me. So I contacted the seller and he came down almost fifty dollars. He had no use for it and he saw my name so I got a good deal. It's a X45 so it was used. Now I started to look it up and don't you know I found another one at an auction in better shape but sold. That's fine with me. With a token or coin like this grade means nothing. It has no value only to someone with the same name. You saw my name on the set i put together so it doesn't matter. When I showed the family they all wanted one. Sure I will go back in time and get a few. Haha. Seriously it did perform a duty. It did it's job and now it has a home. Can't get better than that. I had to share this with you. A different type blog but still about our hobby. That's the important thing. So I hope you enjoyed it a much as I did. Keep your eyes open you never know what you might find. Pat.

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15 Mar 2019

Cornwall Penryn Token D&H 4

Tokens | Pat

Hi everyone. Today's token is looked for by many. If you go to the net there are people looking for it. It's very detailed and has allot going on . It was made to remember the volunteers of Penryn in Cornwall. They fought bravely in the war against France. They won many battles. The city is located by the ocean. And most of the buildings are from the Roman, Norman and Tudor style. The obverse is the crest or as some called them Alms

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06 Mar 2019

Cardinal Wolsey Ipswich Suffolk D&H 10

Tokens | Pat

Hi everyone. Well I got lucky at an auction. This token I have been looking for on and of. There is one it is D&H 9 that has a tiny tassel on his Cardinals hat . That tassel makes it a triple rarity. Very rare and hard to find. This token does not and is a single rarity still hard to find. Now I don't know how many of you saw the series the Tudors. That's a series of movies or shows were they mix fiction with non fiction. If you saw it be died out of the kings graces and commits suicide. Nothing could be farther than the truth. He died of dysentery.

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25 Feb 2019

My First British Conder Token -St. Paul's Cathedral

Tokens | Jonas's Coins

Hello everyone, and welcome to another blog. Recently, I was gifted a very nice British Conder token.

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25 Feb 2019

The Franklin Press 1794

Tokens | Pat

Hi everyone. Now I wrote a blog on this token before. However I left a very important point out and didn't learn it till yesreday. The label. Says nothing. It Says The Franklin Press A/U 58. Back then there were only seventy graded higher. My problem of loading this token to another site made me go over some of the obvious history I left out. For instance There is no D&H number. Doesn't say we're it was made. And the number its self. It should read The Franklin Press Great Britain Middlesex 307a A/U 58. Why simply because that's were the token was made. The fact that it basically tells us nothing is wrong. This has happened before. It took three months to straight out. With the current information it should take twenty minutes . I gave them the book the D&H number were it was made when it was made. So I really don't foresee a problem. Although that's what they said last time. That was about there own Queen. So maybe it will take more that twenty minutes. When I tried to load it it asked for were it was made. They gave me three choices and I refused. They were wrong.. Now when I went to verify it in the NGC app. It said only 61 are graded higher now. That doesn't bother me but you have to put in the rightInformation. Established in the Red Book. But doesn't give the country of origin. That's wrong. So I have a feeling here we go again. This could be short or a marathon. I mean I could see if it wasn't located but even I have the books. So in closing in will not go into the history of it I just wanted to make you aware of the problem. This token is well documented and sought after. I mean Benjamin Franklin arrived in Britain at the age of 18. The shop he worked at thought it would be great to use his name. So all I want is NGC and Mr. Franklin deserve there due. Thanks for understanding and I'm sorry about the oversight. But this is some oversight. Sorry I will be more attentive in the future. MikeI would like to know were this token was made. It's not a colonial pre or post. It is a strictly a collectors piece. Mr. Bowers states it never circulated in the U.S. But no one knew were? I searched the net because of this incorrect label and a dealer had it made in Philadelphia. Now why such a wrong label . It's in the red book.. Even the red book says it's a Conder token made in England. I have been at odds with NGC over this. It should read like any other token. 1794 G Britain Middelsex 307b. Franklin Press.Why then won't they change it well it comes.down to money. You see NGC would have to fix every label and you bought it and sent it in for nothing. Ten dollars if you bought it slabed with that wrong label. I have been fighting this for months and in trying everything to get this collectable.out of the book it has no business being in. I have spoken to the supervisor doesn't want to hear it. Were she got this information from the red book. That's the wrong book. It's listed in Dalton and Hammer the conders collector's bible. All I want is that the label have the correct information. I will go to the authors and publishers to have this removed from a book it doesn't belong in. We had many times but they were used as coinage. This was not that's how simple it is. I am stubborn I want it's removed and I think they will agree then they have no choice to use the right book. This is what happens when your lazy I'm sorry but this was not researched corectly.. Once they saw it was made in England and not a circulating token they should of made it right. But laziness won out. It will be given its proper label before i die. I have fought them before and after four country's and Nobels auction and a letter from a library in England I tracked it down they said send it back. Only four made bronze the maker and I think Queen Victoria was happy. So will Franklin.. Thanks pat

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05 Feb 2019

Five Years If I Can Do It So Can You

Tokens | Pat

This is it the wrap up. Yes it took five years hundreds of sites auction houses and friend helping a friend. Now.I'm not writing a blog on these I put one up for every year. I want you to know and I mean this if you come across a set you want to complete go for it. Because I have said many times I can do it anyone can. Some sets are impossible. Some you can go all the way. There are different types of sets. I want the yn's to get inspired regular collectors not millionaires. There are plenty of sets you can put together raw slabed how.ever you want.

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